An Overview of Formula 1 🏎 ft. Ian Redfearn

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Apr 05, 2021
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Today we welcome Ian Redfearn to Getting it. We talk about The rules and mechanics of Formula 1, its rich history, as well as an overview of the sport today and in the future.

  • How the sport of Formula 1 works
  • How to get into Formula 1
  • The engineering feats within Formula 1
  • A brief history of the sport
  • The influence of tyres, weather conditions and engines on the race
  • The greats of Formula 1
  • The characteristics of different circuits
  • How to get started with watching Formula 1 races

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Subaan Qasim  00:10
In this episode we welcome in Redfearn to Getting It. We talk about the rules and mechanics of Formula One, its rich history, as well as an overview of the sport today and in the future.

Daniel Redfearn  00:25
Good afternoon Subaan.

Subaan Qasim  00:26
Good afternoon Dan Hayden today. Not too bad. How are you?

Daniel Redfearn  00:29
I'm very well, thank you. So today we're joined by a special guest in red fan is going to be talking with us today about Formula One. So I remember we did a long time ago towards the start of Getting It. We did an episode on tennis, right? Remember that one? was one of the very old episodes. And that was the only one up to this point about sport. Yeah. So yeah. Today, we're going to be going into the second sport of the like, mini sports series. And yeah, we're joined by Ian, who's a very big fan of Formula One. So not your brother either.

Ian Redfearn  01:01
Oh, yeah, that's

Daniel Redfearn  01:02
one detail had to add to add that. Yeah, he's my brother, this guy. And so yeah, welcome in.

Ian Redfearn  01:09
Thank you very much.

Daniel Redfearn  01:10
And could you just tell us a bit about when you started watching Formula One,

Ian Redfearn  01:14
when I first tuned into Formula One, it was actually when my dad used to play Formula One on the radios coming home, from like, school, or football or something. But I first properly tuned into it in 2007. In March 2007, because I was reading on the news about this young up and coming kid could lose Hamilton, and he was British. So it's in my interest. And since then, I've just been following his races. I've watched every single race of his body, I can only count a handful that I've missed of his races.

Daniel Redfearn  01:43
So that since 2007,

Ian Redfearn  01:45
yeah, exactly. And how many races as he roughly races race in 267 races after this?

Subaan Qasim  01:50
Yeah. How long is each

Ian Redfearn  01:52
race usually ish, every race is an hour and a half in divided into every two weeks. So as a as an entire race weekend. So you start on Friday, you have the Friday practice sessions, and then you have the Saturday qualifying. So that determines the grid order. And then on Sunday, you have the race. And I don't know I don't get I get an adrenaline rush from I don't get an adrenaline off from watching many sports. But Formula One, there's no there's no other feeling compared to it. And I've done go karting a few times. And it's I don't know, it's just so interesting.

Daniel Redfearn  02:21
I love it. So I mean, it's out of all the sports that people follow these days. I think Formula One. Well, we can talk a bit about it later on the like the popularity of Formula One because it's gone through a bit of a journey with that, I think, yeah. But yeah, it's interesting that at that age, you were like 656 years old, and that you started getting naturally into Formula One. And there was no one really around you sort of like forcing you into it. You just have your own record started watching the races. It was good timing as well, wasn't it? Because that's just as low as Howard's and started? And yeah, so. Okay, that's quite a nice, like, context around why you started watching Formula One, and up to this day is clear. I mean, I know personally, that you're a massive fan, very knowledgeable about the sport. So yeah, we thought it was perfect to bring you on to give an overview of the sport. So if we just think now to the absolute basics, so yeah, what is Formula One, you know, like, as a sport, how does it work on in simple terms,

Ian Redfearn  03:11
41 is essentially it's the pinnacle of motorsport. So Formula One, his name is derived from formula, which is the regulations that each car and each team must follow, follow to design the car, the regulations change every six or seven years. And one is the top just the first first principle first formula. And it's open wheeled, single seater racing. They travel around the world, and it attracts the 20 best drivers in the whole world. 20 fastest drivers.

Subaan Qasim  03:37
So does that then mean? There's a Formula Two?

Ian Redfearn  03:39
Yes, there's a Formula Two as a Formula Three? Yes. formula? Yeah, so what kind of level of certainty The purpose of the JR categories is to funnel the best drivers to get them into Formula One, if that makes sense. So for me, to get to Formula One is a it's a slog is a really long process. It takes about 15 years to get to the top. So if you go through those Hamilton's ways that into Formula One, he started when he was eight years old, and go karting. And for five, for seven years, he was competing and go karting. So he started at lower levels, Junior levels. Then he went into regionals, nationals, internationals across Europe and around the world. And he had to be the best at each of those categories in order for even to get him into the next level, which is Junior single seater racing. So that's like, for him. It was Formula Renault. And that was, and those were the best guys around Europe competing. And he won those championships. Normally, it takes two or three years to graduate into the next category of racing, but he did it in every year, which is mad. So every level he went to he was just the best at that level. Was that right up to the next one didn't need time to climatized really Exactly. So it's formula No, then it was Formula Three, then it was GP two or Formula Two nowadays. And then it was Formula One, Formula One. So he started he started racing in 1993. And he got into Formula One in 2007. So You have to dedicate your whole life into it, because he went as fast as you could I get what you means it's like, for a doctor to get to like consultancy from the start of med school. You know, if you're doing it even the quickest way possible, that's still gonna be over 10 years. In my, in my in my personal opinion, it's the most exclusive sport in the world.

Subaan Qasim  05:16
Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say, because I can't think of any other sport that would have such a hard kind of series of viruses to get through. Yeah,

Daniel Redfearn  05:24
I mean, so, I mean, that makes Lewis Hamilton a really good example of like, how you get into the sport, like the quickest way you could possibly get into it. And it's always such a long process. But going back to what you said about it being so open wheeled, is that what you said? Yes,

Ian Redfearn  05:37
open? Well, what does that mean? So basically, your heads well, nowadays, it's a bit different, because you've got there's, there's a halo, but your head is completely exposed, and the cockpit is open. So normally, in a car, you've obviously got a roof covering your head, but in Formula One, you don't have that your head is completely out there.

Daniel Redfearn  05:53
And so the cars, I follow it nowhere near as much as you do, but I do have a rough understanding of it as well. The engineering of Formula One cars, I mean, if someone's never seen them before, it's really hard to describe like, what they are, you know, they're so unique. Could you just like, try and describe the vehicle itself and how it's different. So you said that, you know, even the fact that the driver's head is out, you know, you're, like, exposed

Ian Redfearn  06:17
is so unique. It's unbelievable. So a Formula One car, it costs about 40 million pounds to make a Formula One car roughly, man, so so no crash, and 2827 28 million just comes from the engine itself. So and it's a hybrid. So you've got and you've got a combustion engine, and then you've got an electrical engine component as well. You've got a front wing, which is an a rear wing, which work in Alliance to add downforce to the car so they can go around the corners as fast as they can.

Daniel Redfearn  06:46
How fast can they go around a corner?

Ian Redfearn  06:48
Well, it varies, obviously, but the maximum that can go round is 190 miles an hour up to 200 miles an hour around the corner. Formula One cars can take some corners flat, there's a corner in Japan, which is a which is at an angle of 130 degrees. It's called 130. r, and they take that completely flat out at 200 miles an hour.

Subaan Qasim  07:07
No 130 degrees.

Ian Redfearn  07:09
Yeah, so it's like that. 100 degrees that hold the G force there. Dude, that is insane. The lateral G's are incredible. They put up to six G's while on their necks, so they have to have unbelievable neck strength. Have you ever been Have you ever been to like a theme park where like stealth? They pull up to 4.5 G's when they take off a Formula One car pulls up to five G's when they take off?

Subaan Qasim  07:30
Yeah, but kind of I don't know what that mean. Is longitudinal forces. Yeah. So when you have that kind of g force, that's all right. Because you've got, you know, the seat and the back. Yeah. But when you go into the side, that's, that's an ab workout

Ian Redfearn  07:41
is a word as a proper worker. And when you're going when you're braking as well, a Formula One car in 65 meters it decelerates from 130 miles an hour to a flat stop in 2.9 seconds. You can't even fathom the forces you can't even fathom how how immense that is. So regarding that I once heard when I was like a kid that Formula One racing is so intense, there's so much adrenaline that the races or the drivers lose weight, significant amount of weight through like sweat.

Subaan Qasim  08:07
Yeah, stuff.

Ian Redfearn  08:08
They lose up to three or four kilos in a race

Subaan Qasim  08:11
through water. But they don't even replace that water like no,

Ian Redfearn  08:16
no that well, they do get the they do get to drink. So they do they do actually have like a straw that goes that goes through their helmet. But it's a very limited, very limited amount. Because weight composition in Formula One card is so important. So they retain that.

Subaan Qasim  08:27
Yeah. So is that something they have to consider? Like throughout the race? In the last lap? Completely like, okay, the way I'm taking this corn is not going to be the same as I was doing it like an hour or so

Ian Redfearn  08:37
it's a constant way in going into forming one race, every race is a constant when you need to be as light as you can. No, no. Because if you if you start a race, and you start and your reaction times are two tenths or 1/10 out of line compared to the driver next to you, you'll lose 1520 meters at the end of that street.

Subaan Qasim  08:54
Yeah, I've even considered it.

Daniel Redfearn  08:56
Basically the margins.

Ian Redfearn  08:57
The margins, right margins are so fine. And you've got what's amazing is that so you've Have you guys seen like Apollo missions, I watched any documentaries on that you've got like a control center. They've got that for every f1 car. So you've got that you've got 5080 people, no way more than that probably like 100 200 people at that showing up to the races. But you've got 1500 people at the factory back at home who are monitoring every move of the car limitary live during the race, giving constant feedback to the guys out in the on the track. So there's basically evil,

Daniel Redfearn  09:24
you've optimized it to the like nth degree, like, yeah, you can't optimize it anymore. Pretty much every gram is accounted for, isn't it?

Ian Redfearn  09:31
It's the it's the most. It's such a professional sport. It's unbelievable. And you can't and you can't get anything wrong. I'll give you an example. In the two vowels in the 2020 Turkish concrete, a really really talented driver match for stappen he was right it was a wet race and he was at the pits and they adjusted his right front wing by three degrees for more Aero but on the left when they made a mistake and they left it on adjusted that completely completely ruined his race because he burned one entire way quicker than the button the other one. That's those are just the fine margins that that separates the best from losing. So

Daniel Redfearn  10:08
that's like the modern day Formula One, like process now, when did it start getting super high tech was like that from the very start, because like, I don't know, like, when

Ian Redfearn  10:18
did Formula One Stop Formula One? Formula One, the Formula One championship was established in 1950. But there are non championship races going back to the 20s. And the 30s.

Daniel Redfearn  10:29
To that just even rocking up with like, Yeah,

Ian Redfearn  10:30
but it became very, very exclusive. Probably throughout the 90s. The 1990s, with notably, was mostly the most technically advanced decade in Formula One history. In the 80s, you had up to 50 drivers, 45 drivers showing up to a race. And it was there are so many of them showing up that you'd actually need to do a pre qualifying to the qualifying to final like the top 30. Top that the top 22 drivers do not I mean,

Daniel Redfearn  10:56
so there's made massive advancements over time. Yeah. And you were saying that there are teams with

Ian Redfearn  11:02
sometimes is it 1000s of people. So Mercedes for the best, even for the one at the moment, they have over 2000 people in that operating in that team.

Daniel Redfearn  11:09
And each person has a split. At that point, you must be like the chief boss of a certain bolt or something.

Subaan Qasim  11:15
Yeah. Wait. So 200 to 200 digits to 2000 1000. Wait for 2000 people like all working on a single race? Yeah, for two cars, some people will not win radios

Daniel Redfearn  11:26
at all, like communicate thing like

Subaan Qasim  11:29
unbelievable logistics and everything on

Ian Redfearn  11:31
just a monitor to drivers. Just to work on to drivers, I suppose they are probably working to the limit of engineering capability and just human physical capable. Exactly. It's just at the peak of engineering, human physical capabilities is unbelievable. And so you'll have Okay, so two drivers per team, right?

Daniel Redfearn  11:50
Yes, who compete every week? And you said it's about 20 races per year. Yeah. And nowadays, so each team has to commit all of their engineers to both drivers to both cars. How does it work with the team dynamic, but you've got an individual driver?

Ian Redfearn  12:06
Yes, Formula One is a really unique sport in the sense that your teammates, so the pert the two people on the team, your teammate is the one that you want to beat the most. So he's your actually your biggest rival. So when you're getting into the heat of a championship battle, your team divides quite a lot. So you have your your drivers engineers, and the other drivers engineers, but normally they work in harmony to make the call as the best it possibly can be. It makes sense. Because I guess the or the way I see it the way I imagined it is that

Daniel Redfearn  12:30
Yeah, like the person you're being compared to the most, it's such an exclusive sport. It's so competitive. your teammate. If your teammate keeps beating you and there's an up and coming driver, you'll be the one who's going to be chopped. So Exactly. I can imagine such a competitive sport. And so as you're saying, when it gets into like the heat of a title fight, or Yeah, like, really up and coming drivers going to come in, and they're trying to choose between the two, which one is going to go. I can imagine that even though they're technically teammates, you've got a massive rivalry against them. But that must mean that sometimes if the stars align, I can imagine the narrative is really fun to watch those seasons. Exactly. And recently or

Ian Redfearn  13:06
Yes. So, in fact, in Mercedes, the best team it was really interesting because for three seasons in a row, it was Lewis Hamilton, and Nico Rosberg, they were both on the same team. Mercedes were far and away better than everyone else, and there are competing for the championship those two and that created. It was so toxic, it created a massive team divide. But it was even more it created even more of an interest because Lewis Howes and Nico Rosberg were bitter rivals karting as well, when they were karting when they were like 1415 years old. And

Subaan Qasim  13:35
the same team. They're on this against each other. Exactly.

Ian Redfearn  13:37
And Nico. And so basically, Lewis Hamilton won the championship in 2014, and 2015, against Nico Rosberg, but Nico rose by one in 2016. And he said that the stress of Lewis Hamilton being his teammate caused him to retire as soon as he won, because he didn't want to compete anymore against him. That's how good Lewis Hamilton is. He literally forced his teammates to retire. So because I remember following it, to a degree, that in those years, so was it 2014 and 15, where they were really close title fights 2014 2014 and 2016. Very, very close. 2015 was Hamilton dominated quite a lot more. But again, we'll go into this later, but it was so mental between those guys, the only reason why Nico Rosberg got the best of hands and mainly is because he out that he got to his level mentally, and no other drivers really been able to compete with Lewis Bentley, because Lewis knows that he's the best. He's got so much confidence going into every race weekend, knowing that he'll beat those guys. And he's back to it as well for him Mercedes in the space of his his eighth year in Mercedes. So he started in 2013. And the turbo hybrid era started in 2014. He's won 74 races since 2014. That has over half over half to 20 guys entering each race, so there's been about 140 445 races and how does 174 of those on his own, there's unbelievable

Daniel Redfearn  14:57
20 guys entering each race gonna win over half of them

Ian Redfearn  15:00
exactly is counting for when you win a championship season. Normally, you win about a quarter of the races that year, like maybe maybe a third or Menominee. A quarter, but housing consistently has one half. So I mean,

Daniel Redfearn  15:11
so of the modern era, he's, especially in the last few years has been by far the most dominant.

Ian Redfearn  15:16
Yes. Has it always been like that with? You know, you're saying that Mercedes now by far the best team, what about in the past, because I think one team that everyone associates with Formula One is Ferrari. What if you could give us like a two or three minute overview of the teams in Formula One you could go from, like the start and the 15th. And next up today, and which were the dominant teams, which teams have been always around. Ferrari is the only team that has always been around since its, since its genesis in 1950. And Ferrari have actually had quite a turbulent time in Formula One in terms of its success is common is common, like clumps, or like classes almost. So they compete in the 50s. And they're pretty successful. They won two or three world titles in the 1950s. And then, in the 60s, a one one or two in the 70s, a one, three, and then in the 80s, and the 90s. They didn't win any. But then in the 2000s, Michael Schumacher joined in 1996. Then from 2000 to 2004, Ferrari dominated the sport, they won five world titles in a row, the constructors, which is the team championship, and the Drivers Championship. So for I have been in the sport for 70 years. And another top team is McLaren. They joined in the 60s in the early 60s, and a McLaren British McLaren while they are a British team, but they were founded by Bruce McLaren, who's actually from New Zealand. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's mad, isn't it? It's very cool. And it's quite cool. Because it started from him when he was in a chicken farm. And he had a garage and, and he was just like, screw it. I'm just gonna make I'm sure. But that's how non exclusive Formula One was back then. Anyone could take part because there's no money involved, that

Subaan Qasim  16:50
New Zealand is like the pinnacle of like, exactly narrative engineering, nothing

Ian Redfearn  16:54
but another top team of Williams. And they joined in 1980. A bit later on in late 70s. Yeah. And they've been very successful as well. They've won seven constructors, titles, six drivers titles, but not the worst team at the moment, unfortunately,

Daniel Redfearn  17:10
what's the difference between the constructors and the individual titles?

Ian Redfearn  17:13
So the constructors is the team championship, so it's the accumulation of both of your drivers points going into a team championship, and that's the one that the team wants to win, because that's where the money is distributed after every year. So if you come first, then you'll get X amount of money. I'm not sure I think it's like 200 million or something, probably way more. But if you come like fifth, you'll probably only get like 40 million. So there's an incentive of the team. Exactly. That's the that's the main incentive. But obviously, the drivers are very individual. They're very competitive. They obviously want to win the Drivers Championship first and foremost.

Daniel Redfearn  17:42
So okay, how about in terms of then the structure of the championship? I know we need to go back to the teams. But just quickly, so 20 races a year, and you said that the constructors championship is the combination of both teammates points, how are the points distributed?

Ian Redfearn  17:58
So the points are distributed? If Firstly, you have to finish in the top 10 to score point 20 drivers currently 20 drivers compete the top 10 get finishing the point. So if you finish 10th, you get 1.92 points. 8/8. You get four points, seventh, six points, six, eight points, fifth 10 points for 12 points, third, 15 points, second, 18 points and then first 25 points. And then those score, though, like however many points they all add up after the X amount of races 20. In this case, it's 23 races this year. So whoever has the most points after 23 races wins the championship. It's a few 100 points. Yeah, normally between 304 120

Daniel Redfearn  18:39
or when you the championship, yeah. Okay. And so and then as you said, the combination of the two teammates as points get the constructors, which team was the best team overall, which has the best car that's like a reflection of who exactly is car using the formula? Exactly. Formula One. Exactly. Okay, so that's super interesting. So now going back to the team, so we talked about Ferrari. Where are they from? Italy, right? And then you've got Okay, McLaren, who kind of technically key we were a British team, our British team. Williams where are they based? Britain?

Ian Redfearn  19:08
Nice. Oh, British as well. Oh, yeah. Brexit well, Formula One was invented in Britain. So I thought was a time for summary. Now it's a British sport.

Subaan Qasim  19:15
I see as a titan just because you think because supercars and stuff. Yeah. But

Ian Redfearn  19:20
yeah, the first race was actually in Silverstone. The first ever race in Formula One. Okay, so Britain is kind of like the Britain is like the pinnacle. Like it's where the roots are forming ones like

Daniel Redfearn  19:30
the Brazilian football, although we've all as well, kind of

Ian Redfearn  19:34
terrible analogy. Yeah, terrible.

Subaan Qasim  19:35
Are there any American teams

Ian Redfearn  19:38
that have been at there have been American teams, but none of them have been like good enough to even compete to win a championship? No. So and he's competed in Formula One respect. There. They weren't that successful. They competed on the other team

Subaan Qasim  19:54

Ian Redfearn  19:55
Yeah, but the Japanese have been engine construct engine suppliers. So Honda And Honda are actually one of the like the oh geez. And formula. They're one of the coolest engines and

Subaan Qasim  20:04
everyone's just making the money.

Daniel Redfearn  20:07
So a lot of the cars you see day to day in real life, they have, it must be quite a good advert for your car, if you've got a Formula One team, you know, like, I don't know that it's the same as marketing,

Ian Redfearn  20:17
as marketing, can see, as money's involved. Nowadays, it's more about money, even like the drivers that you have the EBI favorable to have the driver from the nationality of the team, because then it will generate more money, more sponsors. So for example, there's an Italian driver called Antonio giovinazzi. In my opinion, he's not amazing in Formula One, but he drives for Alfa Romeo, who in Italian team, he gets in so many Italian sponsors, so he draws in money for the team. And they're quite a poor team.

Daniel Redfearn  20:44
That makes sense. I mean, that's the that's the modern day aspect of it that you're talking about. Exactly. Are there any other for someone who doesn't know anything about Formula One? for them to know those main teams? Are there any other teams in history that people should just really know about? You know, like, quiet Mercedes. So Mercedes, and that's not the same as McLaren? No, okay. Mercedes

Ian Redfearn  21:03
can supply the engines McLaren, but Mercedes are also their own team. Does that make sense?

Subaan Qasim  21:08
So they're like supplying the engines to their own competitor? Right?

Ian Redfearn  21:13
Yes. So basically, at the start of the year, Mercedes will say, Here you go, guys. You pay for the engine. So you give us the money for us. But you develop it in the way that you want to. And we're going to do it in our own way. kind of depends on how much money you have the engineers that you've got to put the parts together. They do it all themselves, so they develop it themselves. But yeah, Mercedes are one of the most successful teams with only one as well, but they've got a really weird history. So they competed in the 1950s. They stopped him after 1955. And then they just all of a sudden came back in 2010. But they've been running the show for the past seven years, seven or eight years. They've been really successful already.

Daniel Redfearn  21:49
I mean, because you said that it's been how often and when was the last time it wasn't Hamilton Roseburg was 2013.

Ian Redfearn  21:55
Yes. Why roseboro retiring at the end of 2016. So it's really just been Hamilton since 2014, minus 2016. And in terms of like, Mercedes have been the best team since 2013. Right? Yes. Is 20 since 2014. Is it just at 14? Mercedes? were the best team Yes. Okay. And so already at this point, where are they in like the historical rankings of best teams? Would you say what's the Is there like a consensus on what the greatest team is? The greatest team is Ferrari in Formula One, they've been the most successful they've won 15 constructors total 16 constructors, titles 15 drivers title so they are the best and then McLaren have also been very successful. I think they've won eight constructors, titles and 12 drivers titles. And then Williams as I said, they've won six drivers titles, seven constructors titles. So they're very successful and some Mercedes are already like Mercedes have 178 they want eight, eight constructor a drivers titles and seven constructors, titles, what is the constructors championship was generated or made? formed in 1958?

Daniel Redfearn  22:59
Okay, okay, that makes sense. So they're already like a historical team. Now, they're already that this recent run has already propelled them to like glory, like and are they? Are they a German team, like Mercedes or Mercedes are

Ian Redfearn  23:09
a German team?

Daniel Redfearn  23:10
Yes. That has to the the German national anthem has played?

Ian Redfearn  23:14
Yeah, other on the podiums. In fact, I think it's quite funny. I think it was like two years in succession, the German national anthem was played on the podium at the end of a race because it was either a German driver or a German constructor winning the race.

Daniel Redfearn  23:26
I see. So at the end of every race, they will play the national anthem of the winning driver and the National Anthem of the winning constructor. Yeah. So in each What about if it was like Nico Rosberg? Who's German winning it? It

Ian Redfearn  23:36
would just be the gentleman it wouldn't play it twice. Or just listen

Daniel Redfearn  23:38
to it. They're constantly hearing it. Yeah, I know. Now because of that.

Ian Redfearn  23:41
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Subaan Qasim  23:43
Okay. Do you ever we're gonna say, Yeah, I was gonna ask about the circuits and stuff what the main circuits or like the most of the most famous circuits, yeah,

Ian Redfearn  23:51
and the most interesting ones to watch. The most famous ones to date are Monaco. spa, spa francorchamps, which is in Belgium, Monza which is in Italy, and Silverstone, which is an England those are the those are the big ones. They have the most history because they've been around in Formula One, since since it started pretty much. There's another really cool track called the Nurburgring, or the North safe. And that's in Germany. And it's a 16 mile long track is composed of 180 corners. And it's the do a lap that takes about seven or eight minutes. is unbelievable. Every year. It's quite, it's quite sad, like from the 50s when it started, every year a driver a diver because it's that's just how dangerous it was so dangerous. Yeah, to be fair, like the implication lightens with safety in Formula One is really, really improved since 1950, because essentially, they would literally driving in trolleys with no seatbelts and they are going cruising at like 170 miles an hour around a track and there are literally wearing buckets on their heads as helmets and just sunglasses. So if they crash, they are the crumple zone. So they're going to die.

Daniel Redfearn  25:03
So was that a common thing back then? So, I mean, you mentioned at the Nurburgring people would die. But how about other tractors a normal on a race day for someone to pass away? Yeah.

Ian Redfearn  25:11
The drivers would go in the mindset with the mindset that this could be their last race so easily. There was a documentary and James Hahn, who was the 1976 41 War champion. He said, I'd go before every race, I'd go inside, say to my family, like, it's gonna be the last time I see you guys. So it's incredible how much they put on the line, they've literally put their lives on the line to do this. And compared to these days, the safety is so much better. The safety is improved so much. Yeah, the last death was George banchi. Job Yankee in 2014, Japanese Grand Prix that was very unfortunate, to be fair, very, very unfortunate. And that was the first death for 20 years Ayrton Senna in 1994. Okay, so

Daniel Redfearn  25:49
the safety is a lot better. I want to go quickly back to the different tracks because I think that's a really important element. And me as sort of like a passive fan. That's something I quite enjoy the fact that each track is different, isn't it? So you'd expect so that each track will suit different teams differently in different sizes can really differently like tennis with different surfaces kind of kind?

Ian Redfearn  26:08
Yeah, except it's the rotation is so much quicker. In tennis, you have obviously, you have a month to month period of season on the same surface. Whereas on Formula One, you're just going to a completely new track. And it suits different drivers as a different teams, as you said. So for example, spa, Italy, they're very power unit and engine dependent circuits. So the teams are the best engines are going to perform much better. And with the best braking performance, they'll perform much better at those tracks.

Daniel Redfearn  26:33
What's that track, like in very basic terms is a lot of cornering is a lot of times to get to touch base, just those two tracks that

Ian Redfearn  26:39
have the fastest average speeds. So they have lots of straights that Monza is actually known as the temple of speed. That's, that's his nickname. And the two, the two major components that you need is low downforce, massive high engine performance. And really good braking performance, aka downforce is gonna slow you down. Exactly. If you have increased drag, increase downforce, it's gonna, it's gonna slow you down on the straights. So a team with like, Is there a current team, for example, that's really powerful on the streets, mercedes, mercedes have the best engine, Mercedes and Honda had the two best engines is interesting. So going back to different tracks, two different teams more in 2018 and 19. Ferrari, they had the best engine by by a long way, there are about three, four tenths faster than any other team on the streets. So in places like spa and Monza, they are so much better than others, but their cornering speed was so was not nowhere near as good. So it was really interesting, because so for example, in Belgium, in Sector one, so each track is divided into three sectors in Sector ones, and sector three in Belgium throw away quicker, but in Sector two, which was more cornering, they would lose about eight, nine tenths compared to Mercedes. So it's very, very interesting. Yeah, I

Subaan Qasim  27:48
just bought something regarding the Nurburgring when you were talking about it, and Tesla, Jr. What the what how, you know, even these supercars like Lamborghinis, and just Yeah, super road cars. how fast they usually get on the Nurburgring.

Ian Redfearn  28:02
Nowadays, yeah, well, it's very different nowadays, compared to how it was in the 70s and 41. Now they they can do about in the mid five minute 30s? I think so like 585 minutes 35, around around the Nurburgring, up to six minutes, I think. But back in the back in the 70s. In Formula One, they'd be doing it in seven minutes. Last because the downforce was so much less. So the evolution of like road cars and supercars, it's just so advanced compared to how it was back then,

Subaan Qasim  28:28
you know, and one thing I wanted to mention is regarding Tesla, so there was a plaid Model S is coming out sometime this year, probably early next year or something, I I'm not really keeping up with the production process. But it's basically just a supercharged Model S and the Model S is basically a family car. It's designed to be a family, you know, luxury family sedan type car, but it's not 260, you know, Musk says is probably going to be around 1.1 point nine, six seconds. That's ridiculous. For an electric car. If you consider the weight now you're talking about weight and being as low as possible, more or less, because there are electric cars, huge battery packs really low central gravity, though. They're like over a ton, a ton of miles kind of thing. And I think in one of the latest test runs, they got a sub seven minute lap on the wildering for an electric car. I think that's just a massive engineering feat.

Daniel Redfearn  29:15
That is huge. Maybe one day you'll see what it would defeat the point in a way of like the nature of Formula One to have an electric

Ian Redfearn  29:23

Daniel Redfearn  29:25
boss on everyone else. Yeah,

Subaan Qasim  29:27
I suppose the main difference is just wait.

Ian Redfearn  29:29
Yeah. 21 cars nowadays are pretty heavy though. Because you have to carry 150 kilos of fuel. They're much longer as well. And the and just so much more complicated. There's so much more components to an f1 car than they used to be. There is Formula

Subaan Qasim  29:41
E right? Yes. That's electric bass electric. Yeah, well, what's that liking capacitors? Boring.

Ian Redfearn  29:46
It's not dead says there's no money. There's nowhere near as much money invested into it. The cars don't go as nearly as quickly. In my opinion. It's the rejects of Formula One that gets that goes unfortunately. Lahu Lucas de gras Nelson Piquet Jr. Like they all got thrown out if only what in fact, that was a big idea. It's pretty peak, because he actually got he's never allowed to race and fully want again for cheating. Yeah, we'll take him there

Daniel Redfearn  30:12
because there's like, that's about it. But for I mean, it's the what I love about each sport is when you factor in the most important, like, you have to think about the most important factors that will determine success in that sport. So you can think about a lot of sports, athleticism resources, the nature of like the pitch or the call or whatever it is. And then the psychological element and in Formula One, what what are the so that you've got the car, you've got so many really important elements in my opinion, the car, the driver, the track, those all literally will determine the successful race, right?

Ian Redfearn  30:45
Yes. So

Daniel Redfearn  30:46
yeah, I mean, in a second want to talk about the tracks a bit more, because I think it's really important for you if one were you going to would you want to add anything to what I just said? I was gonna say,

Ian Redfearn  30:55
yes, the driver and the track and the car is obviously so essential in Formula One, but I think just as much of it comes down to mentors, your met your like your mentality. One of the reasons why Nico Rosberg beat Lewis Hamilton in 2016, as I said earlier, was that he didn't let Lewis Hamilton get to him mentally. Lewis Hamilton's greatness, managed to loan managers to get him a mental advantage over his competitors. But Nico Rosberg didn't allow that to overcome him. How did he not allow that on the track? For example, He was just so aggressive on track, he would not let Lewis Hamilton get his own way, like how he normally would with it with other teammates. He'd firstly he'd beat him fair and square. In some races. He was really, really good. He was really quick. Yeah, so for example, in the 2016 Spanish Grand Prix, like Lewis Hamilton was going to go for an overtake on Nico Rosberg. But Liga Rocco was so aggressive on the defense that he didn't let him go. And that forced a crash in the NBA. That's just an example of how Nico Rosberg didn't budge to get it allowed. He didn't allow Lewis Hamilton to beat him, we'll get to get to him. And it's so interesting with the mental side of it, Nico Rosberg in 2016 got a new new helmet to shed about, I think it was like 300 grams. And then in one qualifying session is really interesting him in Lewis house is in 2016, Japanese Grand Prix. Him and Lewis Hamilton were neck and neck throughout the whole weekend. And in Japan, in Japan track position is so important. If you get pole position, you're on the clean side of the track, you're going to get a better start than the guy in second place. And it was between them to first and second. So what Nico Rosberg did was that he took off his socks, he cut off his socks, which were pretty heavy, but like he's not even that heavy. So they like for 200, like 100 grams, took off those socks. And that saved him 30 milliseconds around offset five, six kilometer track. And that was and those were the 30 milliseconds that he needed to help qualify those who wanted in that race. And he won. Because of that, because of that, yeah, those those margins, those fine margins with the helmet having a 200 gram lighter helmet, a 100 gram lighter pair of socks, man has managed to eke out literally 30 milliseconds, my man

Subaan Qasim  32:59
did a full race with with the half SOG

Ian Redfearn  33:03
is unreal, it's just unreal.

Daniel Redfearn  33:05
That was the grind to beat Lewis house, as well. And, um, I think you touched upon something else, which will be really important to go over in this episode, which is qualifying. So at the start, you're talking about how there's a whole race weekend? How does it work through a race weekend

Ian Redfearn  33:18
because you arrive at the race, but how does that work? I mean, how do you line up on the grid, so is composed it's composed into like three sections, you've got Friday practice, and Friday practice for for an average f1 fan, they might just think that they're going enjoy riding around a track for three hours. But that's completely not the case at all. Friday practices designed for setting up the car for the race and for qualifying. To get the best set up. How much brake bias do I need? How much front wing Do I need, how much engine power I need on the straight is so that teams can collect as much data as possible to enhance their performance as much as they can on Saturday and Sunday where it really counts. So that's Friday, Saturday is qualifying. So qualifying is composed of three section three qualifying sessions, q1, q2, and q3. And q1 eliminates the slowest five drivers, q2 eliminates the next lowest five drivers think q3 the top 10 shootout, and then whoever finishes in the top 10. That's, that's just the order of the for the grid for Sunday. And it's very, very, very tactical. So you want to be on pole position in Formula One because as I said, as I touched on earlier, if you're on pole position, you're on the clean side of the track. And the clean side of the track is where the drivers take the optimal lines. So it's got the most grip, and on second places the dirty side of the track because that's where all the dead tire robbers going. It's all the dusters, so you're not going to get as good as start as the garden on the clean side of the track. So for somewhere, like, for example, is is really interesting. So Valtteri bottas is Lewis Hamilton, his current teammate, and in Russia in 2020. He intentionally qualified third. So he get a better start in the race, because he didn't want to be second because he'd more likely get a bad start. So he intentionally let the guy Max Verstappen go and second so he could get into third and get it That stream

Daniel Redfearn  35:00
does that because of the arrangement of the cars on the grid house

Ian Redfearn  35:03
with that, so you just got to use that you got essentially like two lanes. So you've got first third, fifth seventh going down to the 19th on one side, and then second, which is behind first, second, fourth, sixth eighth, going down to 22 seconds

Daniel Redfearn  35:15
behind first

Ian Redfearn  35:16
is not the right. No, it's not, it's not. So you've got first on the left side, second, eight meters behind first on the right hand side, third, eight meters behind second on the left hand side. Okay, going down 20th.

Daniel Redfearn  35:28
Okay, so it's like, it's exactly almost that makes sense. And there's, as you said, there's essentially two lanes and so badass prefer to go on the same side as first place. Yeah, those eight meters behind that

Ian Redfearn  35:38
he's 16 meters behind, rather than eight meters behind.

Daniel Redfearn  35:41
Yeah, that makes sense. Then he thinks that being relatively eight meters behind second place, is actually worth it for being on the clean side of the track Exactly.

Ian Redfearn  35:48
eight meters. Exactly. Because men when I said, if you have a better start, you can gain up to like 2020 meters, 30 meters on the track, at the end of the street. That's why those 100 ago, he won the race. Okay, there

Subaan Qasim  35:59
you go. So with the team be involved in making that decision, or did he just kind of do that? That was

Ian Redfearn  36:04
just that was all him? It's kind of its kind of sly? Because he what he did in that qualifying session was, so

Subaan Qasim  36:09
he kind of hit it. He didn't tell that exactly. I'm just gonna come across as

Ian Redfearn  36:12
sort of mental attitude that he needs to be Lewis Hamilton, to go against Team orders to be very selfish

Daniel Redfearn  36:17

Ian Redfearn  36:18
Yeah, you need to be selfish, though. You need to be selfish, and especially Lewis Hamilton runs that team. Like he is the guy. So to go against him and to do something yourself, even though that's against Team orders that will gain Hamilton's respect more because you can't walk all over him for after that,

Subaan Qasim  36:33
man that doesn't offer move is.

Ian Redfearn  36:37
Yeah, it's a shame. He's not that good. Like,

Daniel Redfearn  36:39
how good is he compared to Hamilton?

Ian Redfearn  36:41
He's pretty quick. Like he's slightly better attempt slower on average. But in the race, His house is just on a class on his own. He's so good. His fitness is unbelievable. His race pace is unbelievable. It no one can really keep up. So in a minute,

Daniel Redfearn  36:55
I think it'd be good to talk about the greatest drivers. Yeah, we haven't actually touched on that too much yet. But before we go onto that, just one more time, I want to get back to the tracks because as you can see, I like talking about them. So you said the four odd tracks are Silverstone Monaco, spa and Monza. Yes. Those are for Europe, four of the European track. Yeah. What are the other legendary tracks because I can imagine on your resume as a driver to say you've won at certain races is really cool.

Ian Redfearn  37:23
Yeah. of the current tracks or all time any author. I think Suzuka, if you went in Japan, that's that's a really historic place because it's got such incredible history. It's where the most title fights have been in the last 20 2030 years. Yeah, I think winning there and it's such a technical track as the driver is one of the drivers favorite tracks because it's so technical. It really separates the most technically gifted drivers from the not so technically gifted, and it's a Japanese one and also Brazil. I think Interlagos Interlagos. Yeah, again, it's got so much history. But it's also a really cool track. So the drivers really like like winning there as well.

Daniel Redfearn  37:57
And so those are what about those are like classic stadium? Like track? Yeah. What about the street circuits? Because that's really cool as well.

Ian Redfearn  38:03
Yeah. So my molecules is a street track. And that's why it's really cool. As far as the motor store. It's been around since the 50s. And they just go around Monaco cruising around Monaco in a Formula One car. It's called the Principality Grand Prix is is the best. But there's also places like Singapore, which is really cool. It's a night race. It's the first ever night race in Formula One in 2008. And yeah, it's got a really cool layout street out.

Subaan Qasim  38:28
How is the dynamic different at night?

Ian Redfearn  38:31
It's not too different. To be fair, it's a cooler spectacle, it's a much greater spectacle

Subaan Qasim  38:35
Is it like floodlit and

Ian Redfearn  38:37
yes, completely floodlit but they don't

Daniel Redfearn  38:39
have lights on their car do lightweight they're not be happy with that?

Ian Redfearn  38:44
No, definitely not.

Subaan Qasim  38:45
They probably make some new kind of light technology or something's weightless lights. Maybe your photon to

Daniel Redfearn  38:50
the human race? Yeah, come up with a new rule. Like we need headlights. And for one car don't make the most optimized headline possible.

Subaan Qasim  38:56
Yeah, yeah. I guess that's the whole transition of technology. We started out you know, in the space program, and now we use the internet or in wars they use Yeah,

Daniel Redfearn  39:03
I have to watch this. I don't know if it's just pop like, I don't know if it's not true. could afford a one car in a tunnel? Does it have enough downforce to go upside down?

Ian Redfearn  39:11
Yes. That's crazy. It does. Yes. To stay upside down to completely guard stay upside down.

Subaan Qasim  39:16
Yeah, no way.

Ian Redfearn  39:17
That's because I like it. Because basically, a Formula One car pushes so much air above it, that there's such a low amount of going under the car, that it can just go upside down completely. It's incredible.

Subaan Qasim  39:29
Can you find videos of?

Ian Redfearn  39:30

Subaan Qasim  39:31
I'm gonna have to find

Daniel Redfearn  39:33
fascinating. So it's really cool. Okay, I'm pretty happy now, in terms of knowing the biggest and best track.

Subaan Qasim  39:39
One thing about the tracks is a different point. Yeah. So there are what 2020 races in the year 23 this year, okay. And these are all each race is done on a different track to three

Daniel Redfearn  39:48
different circuits. Yeah, continents.

Subaan Qasim  39:50
So these drivers are going through the whole time shift tight lie. Yeah. A few days early, a few days and stuff and I get to the pends on the distance of the timezone in the

Ian Redfearn  40:01
Europe, so in the European season which January's bands from early May to beginning of September, there's obviously not that much of a time difference up to like two, three hours.

Subaan Qasim  40:10
Oh, right. Okay, so they do it continents at a time.

Ian Redfearn  40:12
Yeah. But then like the Asian normally normally they get that's part of the reason why they give two weeks to get all the transport over there for the cars but also for the drivers to adjust. They do that in planes. Yeah. Oh my gosh, the money. Yeah. Well, not in planes to get over the continent. So like going from like Britain to Canada, or like Monaco to Canada, which is actually to sequence a sequence of races, they also have to get a plane there. But if you're going from Monaco to Belgium, they have trucks, which just go along the motorways on the motorway.

Subaan Qasim  40:46
Haven't you seen the pressure like

Ian Redfearn  40:47
for not the pressure for not crossing? Like Imagine if you crash that

Daniel Redfearn  40:52
millions? is probably not the best track rows in there like the really famous ones?

Subaan Qasim  40:58
Wait. So because the calls are so expensive, and obviously, insanely difficult to engineer? What happens if you do crush it? Like within two weeks? You don't just get another one?

Ian Redfearn  41:06
that these are the finest engineers in the world. So just spit out another one that way? Well, I'm assuming they have stocks they amended the amended. So if you crash the Formula One car on Saturday qualifying and need for race day, the engineers would just stay up all night almost. To fix it. Let's replace everything. Wait.

Daniel Redfearn  41:23
I wonder if they just stay up anyway though, because they're probably just stressing out optimizing so much before the race like the chief engineers must be just doing all nighters. Yeah, data.

Subaan Qasim  41:31
A lot of people will probably have to pull all nighters, but what the engine is like totaled,

Ian Redfearn  41:35
like, if it's completely written off, they'll have another one just in case they have. They always have a couple of spares. But if you can salvage it, then that's the that's the ideal way because you get penalized if you have to get a new engine, like a 10 1015. Place grid penalty for the race. If Oh, what about gearboxes and stuff? gear? What exactly? So for every year, you have a finite amount of engines and gearboxes that you can go through? I think it's three engines for gearboxes, five foot three power units.

Subaan Qasim  42:04
But you can come in with a fresh one. You can't

Daniel Redfearn  42:06
decide every engineers paradise dream like game.

Subaan Qasim  42:10
Yeah, they must be in some way kind of like flow state when they're doing that kind of stuff is unbelieving.

Ian Redfearn  42:14
So you can imagine how frustrated they get their drivers went on qualifying. They just total their car and they expect the engineers to just sorta needs to sort out

Daniel Redfearn  42:22
the more the more questions you answer the more questions I have. There's another thing which I think would be important to learn about, which would be the most because there are so many different elements to a Formula One success or driver success. Apart from the drivers, who are the other most important people in a team, the team principal product team principle, what

Ian Redfearn  42:39
does that person do? Team principle essentially runs the team. He calls the shots. For like the striker. He employs all the best people, the best engineers, the drivers, he sorts out who comes into this, like the drives that come in. Like they are the he is the main guy, but like it was without the manager. Yeah, his boss, his boss, man. But in the races, the strategy is really important. It's like a game of chess in a race. Because then you we haven't even talked about tires yet tire life tires are so important in an f1 race, you want to go through the least amount of pitstops as you possibly can to because in the pits it cost you about 30 seconds. But sometimes if you're behind the driver who's killing your tires, then you want you might want to go into that before him so you can get an under what they call it an undercard because then you're going to go out for an extra two laps you're going to be on completely fresh tires and you're going to go seconds faster than the guy in front and you could end up ahead of him. So you've got a strategic as well during the races.

Subaan Qasim  43:39
Do you get penalized for tires or not?

Ian Redfearn  43:41
You get penalized more like if he's put on the wrong tires like to to cut like soft compound tires and to hard compound tires. That's so legal. How long does it take to change a tire two seconds to to change four tires get four tires off and four tires on

Subaan Qasim  43:54
it. So all of them being done simultaneous

Ian Redfearn  43:55
it takes two seconds to change

Daniel Redfearn  43:57
four tires on only one car. How can two seconds just zero?

Subaan Qasim  44:01
How many how many bolts are there on the car?

Ian Redfearn  44:03
It's just one it's just one gun but I not like gonna like to change the content essentially, but they have like 20 people managing like the changing of the tide. So you have one front jack man who's lifting and preparing the car at one rear Jackman and then you've got like three or four people on each tire making sure that it's on and off properly. It's incredible.

Subaan Qasim  44:22
Can you imagine like Formula One time not put on properly you're just born it's happened before

Ian Redfearn  44:27
it's happened before it's really scary but normally it only takes like three or four seconds to like work. Yeah, and then it's like

Subaan Qasim  44:34
what happened because three or four seconds you're like going off into the truck

Ian Redfearn  44:37
no big well not not normally because you have to go down the pits as well. And then so normally then you realize like, oh man my tires. Like reverse back you can't it's illegal. You just have to retire. You just stopped the race. You can't You can't carry on. That's pink is so big in Formula One reversing in the pit lane is highly illegal. You get you get

Subaan Qasim  44:55
this. even reverse. Yes,

Ian Redfearn  44:57
they don't have a reverse here but it really does like mess up the end. screws up quite a lot.

Daniel Redfearn  45:01
So it's really not ideal to do that more about the different weather conditions in a racing because you touched upon it then like you've got different types of tires for different conditions. Yeah, how many different conditions do they factor in?

Ian Redfearn  45:11
Well, any not not snow, because then everybody snows is what I mean,

Daniel Redfearn  45:17
I didn't work very well. It's like you how many different sets of tires Can you have for different

Ian Redfearn  45:21
countries. So you have hard compound, medium compound, soft compound, the hard compound is the most durable has the most durable tire life, but it has the least grip, if that makes sense. So you're going to go around the track slower than someone on the soft tires, but you're going to stay on those tires for longer. Medium compound is medium tire life, medium grip, and then on soft compound, you burn through the rubber faster. So you have high grip at the start, but you have a reduced higher life.

Daniel Redfearn  45:46
Okay, and so, in which conditions would you be using though? Like, why would you want to use a hard compound tire than if you were to use

Ian Redfearn  45:52
a hard if you wanted to use a hard compound tire in a race, it would be because you want to stay out on the track as long as possible, without having to go into the page stocked up on fuel and

Daniel Redfearn  45:59
like you plan

Ian Redfearn  46:00
to anymore. So you have you just have one tank of fuel in the race. So the drivers have to manage themselves, how much fuel are they using?

Daniel Redfearn  46:07
What if they, because I'm sure that fuel has to be calculated then to run out basically, on the last lap on

Ian Redfearn  46:12
what's happened before. Santa ran out of fuel a couple of laps before the end of the 1985 San Marino Grand Prix and he was in second place.

Daniel Redfearn  46:20
What do you do? Just take the Oh, you just took the owl.

Ian Redfearn  46:23
But it's his fault? Because he didn't he didn't manage the fuel properly throughout the race.

Daniel Redfearn  46:27
He was using too much fuel. Yeah. And then what about when it's raining though? Like other times for

Ian Redfearn  46:31
that? Yeah, there's intermediate for and there's a two Yes, intermediate. And where's where's this for like severe, severe rain. And it's actually kind of mad a Formula One tie goes through, I think 500 liters of water in like two seconds, I think on Australia. So we're like really just like 500 litres of water in two seconds for the hobby. The tread on that there is huge, and then on the intermediate is interchanging like weather conditions. So you've got wet that is pretty wet, but not not completely submerged in water, if that makes sense. So, yeah, but normally, I think there's only like one or two wet races a year. It's not very common. But the wet is quite interesting. The wet weather really separates the super talented Formula One drivers from the not so naturally gifted. So that was the last one Lewis Howes and Max Verstappen are just the two most established wet drivers. Okay, so is is mad in the 2008 British Grand Prix. Lewis Hammonds it was completely wet raise Lewis Hamilton finished a minute and 20 ahead of the game second place 80 seconds. So those averaging a second a lot faster a second and like a half a lap fast how it's just natural ability. I couldn't tell you how. But he's like he picks up the lines better. He has a much better feel for the car. Like he's just got a much greater natural, heightened natural ability compared to other other drivers. And that's what separates him so much. So, yeah, but max for Stafford as well. Who's another up and coming? How old is he? 23. He's mad. He started racing when he was 16 in Formula 116 years old.

Daniel Redfearn  48:02
So he's a veteran of Formula One. Before you can have a driver Yeah,

Ian Redfearn  48:05
he got he got a Formula One license before he got

Subaan Qasim  48:09
his you go to the DVLA. Now this is just one of the best drivers in the world. Yeah,

Ian Redfearn  48:14
road license. No, he didn't have license before he barely drive a moped. Yeah. It's unreal. And he won his first 41 raise when he just turned 18. So

Daniel Redfearn  48:26
that's basically when he was in like sixth form, essentially.

Ian Redfearn  48:29
Yeah, he was in year 13. And he was just out there winning races was unbelievable. Do you think he will be

Daniel Redfearn  48:35
like taking on the legacy?

Ian Redfearn  48:37
I think he'll be the driver of zero. Yes. It's very hard. It's very difficult to say who in Formula One is the greatest driver ever? Because the cars change so much. They evolved so much and so quickly, but you can go off who's the greatest driver of that each of their eras and learn for them? Yeah. So in the 50s, it was one man of Anjou who was an Argentinian driver. He won about 46% of the races, he took part and he just dominated he won five world titles. And each and every one of them won those five world titles in four different teams, which is really impressive. And then in the 60s, it was Jim Clark. He was a man. He was a man of the 60s. He drove from Lotus, who don't race in Formula One anymore, but they are a very historic team. And then in the 70s, it was Nicky louder. He was probably the best best of that era. And then in the 80s it was Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost. They were both so good. And there were such contrasting personalities and they just clashed for two years. It was incredible. There are so many documentaries about their rivalry. They were the two greats that era, and Cena won three world titles, but he died. He got killed in Formula One when he was 34 at his peak, and Alan pross won four world titles. And then after that era, it was the Michael Schumacher era, he won seven world titles 91 races 155 podiums 68 pole positions, he dominated the sport for 10 years and then on the quiet Funny. So Fernando Alonzo was the next guy coming up, he beat Michael Schumacher in the world championship. He was the heir to the throne. And he won the last two World Championships in 2005, and six. And then here comes Lewis house, and this guy who just completely spoils it for him because he beat him in his first year, Hamilton beat Alonzo in the same car in his first year,

Daniel Redfearn  50:19
also. So just like, Alonzo is like, the new guy on the block, and everyone's like, so what should happen now?

Ian Redfearn  50:24
Yeah, just like someone else. Alonzo was established, he just won back to back world titles against Michael Schumacher. He just beat the statistically the greatest driver of all time, he was the man of Formula One. And then in 2007, Lewis allanson, comes in on the same team on the same team in the same machinery, equal cars, and he beats in the whole season as well. They're working it all was he 21 was 22. And Alonzo was 26.

Daniel Redfearn  50:47
Okay, so that the rookie comes in and beats the reigning world champion,

Ian Redfearn  50:50
and then it's just the Hamilton era. But then, so is the Hamilton era from 2014 to 2021. All right, so now he's once he achieved so much is 197 races in Formula One. But on the burn on the podium, 170 times, he's been on the been on pole 98 times. Well, he's got 54 fastest laps or something like that. He's, he's got the most points in f1 history. Statistically, he is the greatest driver ever,

Daniel Redfearn  51:14
statistically. So he's got the joint most world titles, right? Yeah.

Ian Redfearn  51:16
And he's got the most wins most polls most everything else. And so just in between

Daniel Redfearn  51:22
his rise to absolute greatness, so he won his first World Championship in 2008. Right with McLaren? Yes. But then what happened between his first World Championship and then his like, tearing off?

Ian Redfearn  51:33
It was kind of unfortunate. So from 2010 to 2013, Red Bull had just had that simply the best car and they and they had the best team around them as well. How often how, in those times how often he described himself, he said those were the years that he really matured in Formula One, he was quite immature, because he didn't know how to manage the tires during a race. He just tried to get from A to B as fast as possible. But that's not how you succeed. That's not how you win in Formula One. You have to preserve the tires. Think about like managing everything else managing fuel at that time, managing the car. I didn't like yeah, very light, very light teething years for him almost. And who was the best during that time with Red Bull Sebastian Vettel. He won four world titles in a row. Okay, so that so that mean, again, it's almost wouldn't be right to say you know how what you're saying with Alonzo, he took the top and then Hamilton came along. And then but then battles took it from Hamilton investment from Hamilton and then how we can do it back from Vettel, and Hamilton invest who actually had two wild title fights in 2017 and 2018. Those two guys, Vettel was driving for Ferrari, Hamilton was driving from Mercedes. Ferrari was arguably the faster car throughout those two years. But how was his mental fortitude, his natural ability, him just being so great, he'd met he managed to propel that car. And when the rate and when the truck tires was both yours,

Daniel Redfearn  52:47
and it's clear that you're on board? I know personally, that you're a fair it's fair to say you're a Lewis Hamilton fan. Are there any other any weaknesses that Hamilton has, though? Any, what would someone say? Who didn't like Lewis Hamilton? What would they argue against him for being the greatest

Ian Redfearn  53:02
while someone argue against him now for being financially sane right now?

Daniel Redfearn  53:06
Okay, so let's say that he,

Ian Redfearn  53:08
because he has the bet he's had the best car for seven years. He that's the only reason why is one fighter. That's what an anti Lewis Hamilton fan would say as to why he's been so successful and why he's not the greatest. Um, what about a new drew who just happened to be like, who happened to think that he wasn't the greatest what was another lightweightness Fountain just because,

Daniel Redfearn  53:24
I mean, personally, from what I know,

Ian Redfearn  53:26
I think Lewis Hamilton at this point is the greatest driver of all time. But what would be arguably a weakness that he's had throughout his career, he doesn't have an Achilles heel. At the moment, I genuinely don't think he has a weakness anymore, because he's crafted his race, his race craft as genuinely perfect, I think. But that's because of the amount of mistakes that he made going into is currently going through his career, or he's had to learn so much. For example, not managing his tires properly. He didn't do that. He was too aggressive on the on when he was racing, so he'd cause a lot of crashes. Nowadays, he's just so perfect. He just puts the car in the perfect position, he breaks exactly when he needs to he's so he's so gifted now, like you've seen, so it's just so well crafted to race. And he's because he's so experienced. He's done this 267 times. He just goes into every weekend following the same protocol. And I guess it is easier because he's got the best team around him. He's just got the most ability there. But that's that's credit to him as well, because he he crafted that that like, mountain I don't know.

Daniel Redfearn  54:23
Yeah, I get what you mean. He earned,

Ian Redfearn  54:25
he earned his points. Yeah, that makes sense.

Subaan Qasim  54:29
And from your observation, what do you think is potentially the weakest part of Hamilton's driving? Whether it be like conditions or certain trends? Yeah.

Ian Redfearn  54:39
All right. So what what what favors him best? Yeah, that's that's partly down to the car. How wontons are very Lewis house, his driving style, it was described by Jenson Button is very unique. He uses his hands and his feet, if so, he uses the pedals as well as the steering wheel to modulate him around the corner, if that makes sense. So and he's very, very throttle regret, like he's very throttle heavy, so on. Like, if he has a car with a lot of rear downforce or like rear stability, that's gonna really help him. But if you if he's on like a much a car with much less rear downforce, for example this year, but there's been a regulation change, which has meant that 10% of the rear downforce has been caught compared to last year, so he has to adjust his driving style slightly. So probably he's gonna have to put on less throttle coming out of the corners, because he put if he puts too much then he will spin. But personally, I think Hamilton's bet Howard's his best tracks are the ones where which involved the most like, technical liability. So lots of corners, like lots of long, windy corners. Not too many, like long straights.

Daniel Redfearn  55:43
Yeah, basically, and his racing craft as well is really good, like, incredible. Cuz I remember when we'd watch him early on in his career, sometimes he would have sort of be like moments of immaturity if he'd like, don't make a silly mistake, you know, and crash into someone or? Yeah, I don't know. I can imagine that. I can see that over time. Yeah, he's eliminated all of those weaknesses almost now. He, how many years as he won in a row now,

Ian Redfearn  56:08
I've raised our championship championships. Four years in a row. So one four on the on the truck, and it's 1/6 of the last seven. Okay,

Daniel Redfearn  56:15
yeah. So I mean, he's dominating But anyway, we don't want to make this all about Lewis house. Yeah, that's, I mean, I don't mind I'll be the follow up episode. But um, yeah. So how about looking towards the future then on Formula One? Where do you see things going from here?

Ian Redfearn  56:29
past i think i think it's looking better now. It's looking brighter. Now. There are some really, really good like young prospects, young talents that are coming through not only my first app, and for example, Charlotte, Claire, George Russell. Those guys are Lando Norris, as well as shalaka. Dad quite Charlotte close dad, his dad passed away of cancer. His dad passed away of cancer four years ago, the day before Charlottesville, I had a race in Formula Two and he won that race, which is incredible. So he's really really good. This is

Daniel Redfearn  56:57
I thought I've already bad but I'm trying I'm thinking of someone's a drivers dad who is a billionaire.

Ian Redfearn  57:03
Oh, yeah. Nikita marzipan and Nicholas the TV and long stroll. That's

Daniel Redfearn  57:08
the one last shot. This is what this sounds a billion at multiple ones. That's a billion as it says a lot about like

Ian Redfearn  57:13
this is no it's more it's more money driven now. So for example, Nikita my husband, he's not that good. But his dad owns a team. So his dad just get some receipt. So it's very it's very exclusive. It's very favorable for someone like Lewis Hamilton nowadays if you had like a Louis Howard's in talent, he might not make it into f1 because he doesn't have the money. It's very it's very came from like a more humble background very humble background, his dad what had to work for jobs just to fund for his go karting. And he didn't have a mom at the time.

Subaan Qasim  57:41
So how do you even stop because you know, your kids just go around go karting and stuff. How do you see that? I think he can just become the next just get you just

Ian Redfearn  57:50
you just can enter into a race into your local car or into your local car. Just

Subaan Qasim  57:53

Ian Redfearn  57:56
There There are so many YouTube videos. He smashed everyone but he's smashed everyone he was the his rise to Formula One was so quick. It was like it was so impressive.

Subaan Qasim  58:08
So nowadays, a lot of is just based around money then. Yeah. Why did it transition to that? Is it just because all of these because it's so

Ian Redfearn  58:15
owning the team is so much more complicated. Now the sport to assemble Formula One car, it costs so much more than how it was even 15 years ago, the number of personnel that you need on a team is so much more than how it used to be. Because these cars are so much more complex, there's

Subaan Qasim  58:29
so much more to it. But then what does that mean? It's like the the richer drivers, like say from their background or getting in to do with the world team and the best management? Well,

Ian Redfearn  58:40
it's because for example with someone like Lance stroll, he's pretty good. To be fair, maybe he does deserve to be an f1. But his dad literally owns the team, which team is Aston Martin. So his dad runs the team his dad pumps in all the money. So he's going to have a say in who the drivers are as well.

Subaan Qasim  58:56
So he probably just had his own like, back garden. Yeah, go kart what we call his

Ian Redfearn  59:01
billionaire. track is is a billionaire, you can do what you can do. So it's very money centered, money oriented now.

Daniel Redfearn  59:09
Okay. I mean, for me, personally, I think have asked everything I wanted to ask. And I'm just giving a broad overview of Formula One. Do you think there are any gaps that we've missed out on? We've talked about the history we've talked about the nature of the cars, how they work what makes them so unique? We've talked about the context on the greatest drivers now. The circuits the different tracks? Yeah, the different circuits. Is there anything else we really have to think about?

Subaan Qasim  59:36
on the end, do you think there are any particular key events that have happened that you know, if you want to get into when you're when you should just know about?

Ian Redfearn  59:42
Well, anything to watch it pick up on YouTube or like Yeah, all right, let's

Subaan Qasim  59:46
move on to set Yeah,

Ian Redfearn  59:48
yeah. 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix. We just be one racer, everyone ago, if you want to know what a title showdown really is, like watch the 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix, because that title was decided on the last corner of the last lap of the last race of the of that season, that's where the title is decided. So if you want to talk about a proper showdown, watch that it had everything interchangeable conditions like part of it was where part of it was dry. It was between everything between the two biggest teams the clown and Ferrari the two best drivers, Lewis Hamilton in that time, Philippe Massa,

Daniel Redfearn  1:00:21
what about the 2007? Chinese Grand Prix?

Ian Redfearn  1:00:24
No, don't watch that one. Just don't watch that. Okay, about some other some other really cool races to watch would be maybe maybe like a Monaco Grand Prix, because then you can appreciate just how skilled a driver has to be to circulate that car around such a narrow track,

Subaan Qasim  1:00:38
or here, man, it looks disgusting, why there's disgusting.

Ian Redfearn  1:00:41
And maybe we read up a few stories on Ayrton Senna, he's probably the biggest personality in Formula One. And he's had some incredible moments. For example, in 1988, in qualifying for the Monaco Grand Prix, he outqualified his teammate alarm price in the same car by a second and a half. Think about in Formula One, if you qualify your teammate by two tenths, that's light years, two tenths of a second to naught point two seconds, think about

Daniel Redfearn  1:01:06
Surely if you just make you go 5.2 of a second,

Ian Redfearn  1:01:10
if you claim but if you click both of your thumbs pretty much at the same time, like if you think it's at the same time, they're most likely going to be differentiated by about a 10th of a second. So

Subaan Qasim  1:01:17
our hearing resolution, just come pick up that difference. And that's insane. That's incredible.

Ian Redfearn  1:01:21
That's how the difference between the best car and the fifth best car around around a four mile track is about seven tenths of a second naught point seven seconds

Daniel Redfearn  1:01:30
what that difference is enough for them to win consistently, every single race. That's why it's incredible that Lewis Hamilton with those margins will win over half of his races

Ian Redfearn  1:01:39
is unheard isn't unheard of. Yeah, that that is incredible. 1000 to do that. So

Subaan Qasim  1:01:44
would you say most races are fairly close? Or are they always like? Well, because sometimes it's just like, you know, more often just might solve so well, when the first half that it's like it's just over?

Ian Redfearn  1:01:53
Yeah, more often than not, the races aren't that close. But sometimes the races are extremely close. For example, the first race of the season was last week. And bearing in mind driving for an hour and a half, it was only seven tenths of a second which separated first and second. But there's one race, the 2002 us Grand Prix, which was differentiated differentiated by 11 milliseconds.

Subaan Qasim  1:02:15
Well, for the

Ian Redfearn  1:02:16
whole race, and the 1986 Spanish concrete between Santa who won it and Nigel Mansell, differentiate differentiated by 14 milliseconds is just so close. Yeah. Okay. That's crazy.

Daniel Redfearn  1:02:28
I mean, you can watch all of this on YouTube currently.

Subaan Qasim  1:02:30
Yes. Yeah. And so because obviously, most people may be getting into it. Probably can't sit through a whole hour and a half of just watching cars go around. Yeah, circles.

Ian Redfearn  1:02:39
It can it can get boring more, would

Subaan Qasim  1:02:40
you say? Because then if you say most races aren't that close? Usually people be like, I'll watch the, you know, last couple of laps or something. Yeah, because it will be the most interesting. So would you actually say watch maybe the first half rather than last time,

Ian Redfearn  1:02:53
I'd say probably the most interesting times the first three or four laps in an f1 race. And the last five laps, that isn't probably the most interesting times because if you think about it, it's like, you're building up to the climax, which is the end of the race. And that's when it's just a straight dogfight normally. But in the first half of the ratio, managing your tire so you can go for as long as possible before you pit because then you want the freshest rubber at the end. And then that's where the that's where the gloves come off, and they really go for it. Yeah, and fortunately, because it's getting closer. The sport, it's been happening a lot more recently, so it's getting more interesting. understaffing is just coming up like it is on the come ups and downs and just peeking. Okay,

Daniel Redfearn  1:03:33
yeah, I think I'm pretty happy now. I feel satiated, in my thirst for knowledge about Formula One. So thank you for giving that overview. Is there anything else you think is worth covering? Or are you happy with it for now before Episode Two, which we said will be all about Lewis Hamilton Vander

Ian Redfearn  1:03:47
Waal says that Hamilton is the goat. Yeah. Thank you very much for having me. It was very interesting.

Daniel Redfearn  1:03:53
Thank you. It's

Ian Redfearn  1:03:53
good to talk to you guys.

Daniel Redfearn  1:03:55
One thing that Thomas said once I think it's really funny on one of the recent episodes, and we said to him, thank you for being here. And he said, Thank you for being and um, yeah, yeah. Yeah, a very nice thing to say. Anyway, all right. We'll leave it there. Okay.

Ian Redfearn  1:04:09
Thank you very much. Peace,

Daniel Redfearn  1:04:11
peace, peace.